IndieVest: Pay Us Thousands for the Privilege of Investing in Indie Films
Got a press e-mail today from IndieVest, yet another company trying to reinvent the way the indie films are financed.
They were profiled in Fast Company recently. From that piece:
According to VentureBeat, the company raised $2.5 million last year, and said that it planned to produce and distribute six films by the end of 2008.
So far, they haven't released any films. But their first film, 'Saint John of Las Vegas,' is characterized as in pre-production on IMDB. Monsters and Critics says that filming started in August. IndieVest says it is in post. The first-time director, Hue Rhodes, is best known as a co-founder of Bluelight.com, Kmart's e-commerce subsidiary.
Both the Fast Company piece and an October story from the Las Vegas Sun say that 'Saint John,' which stars Steve Buscemi, is "expected to be screened at the Sundance Film Festival."
That's sort of a weird promise for anyone to make... the kind of thing that only novice film investors would believe.
Well, unless Sundance is planning a last-minute announcement that 'Saint John' will be included in the 2009 festival, that ain't happening.
I'm all for new experiments in financing films... but something seems amiss here.
This is my favorite quote from the Fast Company piece, from IndieVest founder Wade Bradley:
Dude, a safe haven is a place where your money is guaranteed not to vanish, and perhaps even to increase. No film-related investment in history has ever been a safe haven.
Update: Wade Bradley called me today (12.17.08) to tell me more about his company's "managed risk" approach to movie-making. He said that the media had misunderstood his promise to screen at the Sundance Film Festival. What he meant was that they'd try to get in, or else screen it in a rented hotel ballroom. Turns out, though, that 'Saint John' didn't get submitted to the fest, and it isn't ready to screen. But they will show a trailer in a ballroom at the Hotel Park City. Film should be finished by February or March, he said. Bradley said there will also be a dinner and after-party for IndieVest members in Park City.
Also, he said their plan is currently to make two or three more films in 2009 or by early 2010. Those films are not yet in production, though.
They were profiled in Fast Company recently. From that piece:
IndieVest's plan has three tiers, beginning with a $20 "guest membership" that lets potential investors review only the current project. The premier portfolio membership -- $2,950 up front and $1,950 annually -- lets investors consider the company's future films, and includes invites to special film screenings. The all-access studio plan -- $4,950 up front and $2,950 annually -- adds opportunities to attend exclusive film festivals and the Independent Spirit Awards.
Members can enjoy these goodies even without investing in individual films, although most choose to buy shares (starting at $50,000) in at least one of the dozen projects Bradley and his production chief Mark Burton have lined up. To help investors decide whether to help fund a movie, they get a "prospectus": It contains a plot synopsis; info on the writer, director, and any attached actors; and an eight-page script sample.
According to VentureBeat, the company raised $2.5 million last year, and said that it planned to produce and distribute six films by the end of 2008.
So far, they haven't released any films. But their first film, 'Saint John of Las Vegas,' is characterized as in pre-production on IMDB. Monsters and Critics says that filming started in August. IndieVest says it is in post. The first-time director, Hue Rhodes, is best known as a co-founder of Bluelight.com, Kmart's e-commerce subsidiary.
Both the Fast Company piece and an October story from the Las Vegas Sun say that 'Saint John,' which stars Steve Buscemi, is "expected to be screened at the Sundance Film Festival."
That's sort of a weird promise for anyone to make... the kind of thing that only novice film investors would believe.
Well, unless Sundance is planning a last-minute announcement that 'Saint John' will be included in the 2009 festival, that ain't happening.
I'm all for new experiments in financing films... but something seems amiss here.
This is my favorite quote from the Fast Company piece, from IndieVest founder Wade Bradley:
Bradley reports that calls from curious advisers and independent investors are up fivefold in recent months. "People understand that entertainment is going to outcapitalize the rest of the market during a recession," he says. "They're looking at us as a safe haven."
Dude, a safe haven is a place where your money is guaranteed not to vanish, and perhaps even to increase. No film-related investment in history has ever been a safe haven.
Update: Wade Bradley called me today (12.17.08) to tell me more about his company's "managed risk" approach to movie-making. He said that the media had misunderstood his promise to screen at the Sundance Film Festival. What he meant was that they'd try to get in, or else screen it in a rented hotel ballroom. Turns out, though, that 'Saint John' didn't get submitted to the fest, and it isn't ready to screen. But they will show a trailer in a ballroom at the Hotel Park City. Film should be finished by February or March, he said. Bradley said there will also be a dinner and after-party for IndieVest members in Park City.
Also, he said their plan is currently to make two or three more films in 2009 or by early 2010. Those films are not yet in production, though.
Labels: Financing, Hue Rhodes, IndieVest, Saint John of Las Vegas, Steve Buscemi, Wade Bradley



25 Comments:
There are several ways to participate safely as an investor in films. Production Finance from an equity position is NOT one of them. Additionally, telling people that the film business will be strong in a failing economy is correct....but not in production finance.
Investing in some P&A funds can be good. Interim funding government tax credits is also good. Even investing in a leveraged or structured product can be good as this money is used like an endowment or income trust where only the interest is reinvested in films.
Capital protection is going to be the most important thing in film investing over the next while. The first person to offer a legitimate investment that throws off a guarantee of 5% + ownership in the potential box office will have a very large film fund to manage.
PS. I got an a A list director and star in a film I have on my desk right now. Whoever pays off my credit card first can look at it.
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David Geertz, at 9:27 PM
Actually I do have a safe haven...for Hawaii investors in a Qualified High Tech Business (like my animation company). Hawaii has 100% tax credit. The tax structure allows Hawaii residents to get credits from investors that cannot take the tax credit (ie people from the mainland). We typically raise one dollar here for every dollar from investors on the mainland (who are taking a risk)- offering them 75% interest in the film for a 50% investment and the Hawaii investors get a 200% tax credit and 25% interest in the film. So, the Hawaii investors are guaranteed to double their money. The mainland investors get $1.50 of value in the film for every $1 they invest. Pretty sweet.
On the other hand, I have seen in film finance forums, tons of sharks trolling the waters. Companies offering full financing in exchange for $20k worth of legal set up costs.
If anybody wants to shoot in Hawaii or post in Hawaii or invest in my film, let me know!
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GBH, at 12:31 AM
Scott,
I have had a few conversations with Wade Bradley over the years. His previous full-time endeavor - Empire Ventures was based here in Portland.
While I wish him luck on what he's doing, their "team" seems to be missing some fairly critical experience in the "indie" department.
It pains me to see "investors" put money into such an outfit.
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Steve, at 2:47 AM
Scott -- this is a great post, hard hitting, fact based, opinionated. I love it! And not only because I agree. (ha ha)
Let me ask you this: if you like independent film, why isn't the best way to invest in it to buy a DVD from a company that pays most of the proceeds back to the filmmaker? Suppose the DVD is $20 -- pretty similar to the contributions that powered the Obama campaign. And suppose you have a few thousand people that buy your film. That could make a big dent in your production budget as a filmmaker. And as an buyer of a title, if you didn't like it, it you really hated it, you only lost $20. Of course, it's hard to find those few thousand -- which is what you're working on in your book now -- but what if the intermediary had a list of millions of people who were sufficiently committed to indie film to buy a few discs each year, so a few thousand purchases of one title would only be a fraction of one percent of the list. Then you would have financed the filmmaker -- and you would have financed the diversity of vision and voice that is the essence of independent film. Is that a great idea? (wink wink?)
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bob, at 11:08 AM
bob-
I think pre-selling DVDs is a good idea for you second film, but for your first it could be a lot of work with little yield. I sold 250 copies of my film's trailer + a short for $10 a pop back in 2002. The net ends up being about $8.
The best way to fund a film is through maximizing tax incentives. I just set my legal structure up two weeks ago and I have raised $300k from 10 investors. I already have 60 more people interested.
There's an article I read about how 80% of the last Lara Croft movie was raised through tax incentives. The studio ponied up less than 15% of the budget!
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GBH, at 7:01 PM
GBH,
Maximizing tax credits is great if you have your equity in play. You cannot fund a film with only tax credits...and if you can....send me the link.
The 20-30% equity that is usually needed to leverage all the other components is the toughest to come by and it is always this money that is never realized in the back end through typical deal flow.
Again...show me a tax deal that pays out equity people pari pasu with the bank, P&A and distributor and I will do all my work through them.
cheers
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David Geertz, at 7:30 PM
David.
You are right the equity investors are the hardest, but when you can offer them more equity in the project than their investment, it is a good deal more attractive.
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GBH, at 9:24 PM
and..in our deal the non-tax credit investors (equity investors) recoup their investment at a much quicker rate.
I'm not sure of your usage of "pari passu", but our tax credit here is 100% - dollar for dollar.
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GBH, at 9:31 PM
David...I just read your blog. You totally know this stuff better than I (I'm just an animator trying to make a movie). If anybody here wants insight, read David's blog!!!
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GBH, at 9:35 PM
There are numerous ways to skin the cat in structuring film finance, going as far as using Asian structured finance and CPPI to protect 100% of capital. Its very doable. The real issue is promising anything that's low risk unless the deal encompasses both section 181 to investors and tax credits monetized on back end which can in fact give investors 60-100% ROI before revenues. Pre-sale markets are very tough and extinct for indie films. You need 100% equity or have a fund that has dynamic/static hedging to guarantee 100% of the capital. problem is there is no real capital left. sure you can try to raise $25,000 Units for 200 investors and cold call. But the less headache route is to still try to find a high rolling billionaire.
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